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HEADQUARTERS
COMMUNICATION. AND EN- AIR MATERIEL COMMAND
VELOPE TO COMMANDING
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COMMAND, {ATTENTION TSD IN/HEM/ig/6-1;100
FOLLOWING OFFICE SYMBOL: WRIGHT FIELD, DAYTON, OHIO
TSDIN ee DEC 1 9 1947
SUBJECT: Flying Discs ;
TO: Chief of Staff
United States Air Force
Washington 25, De Ce |
aa ATTENTION: Director, Research & Development
1. Confirming the recent conversation of the undersigned with
Major General L. C. Craigie, 9 December 1947, attached as listed below
are copies of the reports from this Headquarters concerning Flying
Discs.
2, Comments of Headquarters, Air Force on these letters have
never been received by this Command, Continued and recent reports
from qualified observers concerning this phenomenon still makes this
matter one of concern to Headquarters, Air Materiel Command. Intelli-
gence Department of this Command is continuing the collection and
, analysis of all available reports.
FOR THE COMMANDING GENERAL:
Bi | Hm me
He M. McCOY
Colonel, USAF
Chief of Intelligence
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subj "AMC Opinion Concerning
"Flying Discs""
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subj “Flying Discs"
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REPLIED OR INDORSED ] FILED (PLACE): i OTHER ACTION:
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‘ / 30 December 19h7
SUBJECT: Flying Discs
TOs Commanding General
Air Materiel Coumand
Wright Field, Dayton, ohio
Attn: TSDIN
s, Reference is made to three inclosures, memoranda fron
| your office to this headquarters, subject as above.
Ss 2, kt is Air Fores peliey not to ignore reports of sightings LD
aD and phenomena in the atmosphere but to recognise that part of its NN
mission is to coliect, collate, evaluate and act on information of
3. In implenenting this poliey, it is desired that the Air NE
Moteriel Command set up 2 project whens purpose is to collect, “J
collate, eveluste and distribute to interested coverauent agencies
and Contrnctors all information concerning sightings and phenomena
in the atmosphere which can be construed to be of concern to the
national security, It is desired that appropriate recommendations \\
be forwarded to thie Headquarters, wherever action is indicated A
which falls ocuteide the field of the Air meteriel Command. Ne
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h. Tt 19 sucgested that the activities of this project include oR
the preparation and distribution of an initial roport, as reoownendod “
in inelosure 1, and that subsequent reports be issued on a quarterly
Pai basis, Supplementary reports should be issued at more frequent inter- ~~
vale should the need for same be indicated, Faeries ie assigned cs
priority 2A with a security classification of ted" and Code mK
Name of “SEH”. Where data of classificstion higher than restricted \
ds handled hy the project such data should be classified accordingly. iy
A complete interchange af data should be effected as recomended in
Inclosure 1,
BY COMMAND OF THE CHIEF OF STAFF:
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Rh Incle Major Cenezal, U. S. Aiy Force
7, 1. Meme dtd 23 sept 147 Director of Research and Development
. from AMC to AC/AS~2 Offices, Deputy Chief of Staff, Naver:
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subjects Flying Disc.
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; 1. The marks appearing on the ‘hotomite fn civand in basic letter
are believed to be defects in the film, paper, or camera and not pictures
of "flying discs".
\ 2; It is requested that no further investigation be made of this
: incident.
@ POR THE GIIEF OF STAFF:
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Office of the Assistant Chief of Staff, Aq2
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SUBJECTs Flying Disc.
TOs Chief of Staff !
United States Air Force
Washington 25, D. C.
ATTN: Director of Intelligence
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ey ae attached photographs were forwarded to this office
by a very reliable source of information, obtained from a Mary L.
Herren, 1728 S. W. Bidwell Avenue, Portland 2, Oregon. She advises
ese photographs were taken some time between November 5th and
12th, 1946, in the vicinity of Jefferson, Oregon, and points out
the formation in the photographs as being objects she did not recall
seeing herself but she thought might possibly be flying diseas.
2. The objects referred to appear in the sky area of each
accompanying photograph. The uniformity of the markings would
tend to indicate that the camera or film used to take these pictures
was possibly defective. Wo incidents of flying dises have =
been reported from that vicinity on or about the inclusive dates
named above.
és Se Mrs. Herren has requested the return of the negatives. If
desired, this office will obtain the negatives and forward them at
your request.
DONALD L. SPRINGER
$3 Inclas Lt. Colonel, USAF
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HEADQUARTERS
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VELOPE ATTENTION OF
FOLLOWING OFFICE.SYMBQL: . WRIGHT FIELD, DAYTON, OHIO
___ TSNADWaB 18 NOV 1947
SUBJECT: Flying Discs pe NES
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TO: Chief of Staff
United States Air Force :
Washington 25, D. Ce
ATTENTION; Office, Director of intelligence
Lt Colonel George Garrett, Jr,
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q +H 1. The inclosed newspaper clippings are submitted for your informa-
tion and comment, The incident reported in Seattle appeared in the "Dayton
Journal" on 12 November 1947, and should be followed up if possible, .
2. The story by Lionel Shapiro regarding war weapons developed in
Spain evidently was printed in a number of leading newspapers thr oughout Cc
the countrye The significance of this article will be dependent upon cer-
tein essential elements for such alleged important developments, such as D
funds, materials, experimental testing facilities, and technological
"imow-how". The latter is supposed to be supplied by German scientists. S
The German scientists at this Hq indicate that no important scientists
from Germany are working in Spain, and those mentioned in this article =
are not known to them,
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3. If possible, therefore, an effort should be made to obtain names, Ap
quealificetions, or any information that might help to identify the allegea \
O Germen scientists working in Spain. SS
4, A brief statement was mde in a recent intelligence report from >
Hg, USAF, AC/ASs=2, regarding a flying disc incident in Alaske in September, t
The close range sighting reported should render a more detailed observation |
then whet was reported, which also suggests a follow-up.
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5, It is further requested that this office be advised as to progress ~~
peing made on the plotting of all flying disc incidents to date, particu- rf
larly in North America, It was understood that Dr. Carroll was going to w
plot these incidents, but no further word was received regarding this ef- \
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HqAMC Form No. 10-514 (Rev. 1 Aug 45) ~
SAVED - CONFIDENTIAL Ra a i |
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HEADQUARTERS
AIR MATERIEL COMMAND
IN REPLY ADDRESS BOTH
COMMUNICATION AND EN- - TSNAD=2B /ACL/amb
VELOPE TO ATTENTION OF
FOLLOWING OFFICE SYMBOL: WRIGHT FIELD, DAYTON, OHIO
TSNAD=2B
SUBJECT: Flying Discs 4N0 1947
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TO: Chief of Staff
United States Air Force
Washington 25, D. C.
as ATTENTION: Office, Director of Intelligence
Lt Colonel George Garrett, Jr.
Reference letter, subject as above, dated 18 November 1947, it is
requested that immediate action be taken to appropriately mark or stamp
this correspondence with the classification “secret”, This classifica-
tion number is as follows: U=-48983
FOR THE COMMANDING GENERAL:
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Chief of Intelligence
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HEADQUARTERS
COMMUNICATION. AND. EN- AIR MATERIEL COMMAND
VELOPE TO COMMANDING
COMMAND, ATTENTION 3 TSDIN/HUM/ig/6-4100
FOLLOWING OFFICE SYMBOL: WRIGHT FIELD, DAYTON, OHIO
TSDIN r
SUBJECT: AMC Opinion Concerning “Flying Discs"
TO: Commanding General
Army Air Forces
Washington 25, De Ce
— ATTEYTION: Brig. General George Schulgen
Ac/as-2
1. As requested by AC/AS-2 there is presented below the considered
opinion of this Command concerning the so-called "Flying Discs". This
opinion is based on interrogation report data furnished by AC/AS-2 and
preliminary studies by personnel of T=-2 and Aircraft Laboratory, Engineer-
~ ing Division T=-3. This opinion was arrived at in a conference between
personnel from the Air Institute of Technology, Intelligence T~2, Office,
Chief of Engineering Division, and the Aircraft, Power Plant and Propeller
Laboratories of Engineering Division T=3.
2. It is the opinion that:
a- The phenomenon reported is something real and not visionary
or fictitious. :
De There are objects probably approximating the shape of a
0) disc, of such appreciable size as to appear to-be as large as man-made
aircraft.
Ce There is a possibility that some of the incidents may be
caused by natural phenomena, such as meteorse
de The reported operating characteristics such as extreme
rates of climb, maneuverability (particularly in roll), and action which
must be considered evasive when sighted or contacted by friendly air-
craft and radar, lend belief to the possibility that some of the objects
are controlled either manually, automatically or remotely.
ee The apparent common description of the objects is as follows:-
(1) Metallic or light reflecting surfaces
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cerning "Flying Discs". .
(2) Absence of trail, except in a few instances when the
object apparently was operating under high perfor=
mance conditions.
(3) Circular or elliptical in shape, flat on bottom and
domed on tope
(1) Several reports of well kept formation flights varying
from three to nine objects.
(5) Normally no associated sound, except in three instances
a substantial rumbling roar was noted.
(6) Level flight speeds normally above 300 Imots are esti-
@ matede ~ 5 ;
fe It is possible within the present Ue Se knowledge -= pro-
vided extensive detailed development is undertaken -- to construct a
etd piloted aircraft which has the general description of the object in sub-
paragraph (e) above which would be capable of an approximate range of
7000 miles at subsonic speeds.
ge Any developments in this country along the lines indicated
would be extremely expensive, time consuming and at the considerable ex=
pense of current projects and therefore, if directed, should be set up in-
dependently of existing projectse
he Due consideration mst be given the following:-
, (1) The possibility that these objects are of domestic
origin - the product of some high security project
(D> not known to AC/AS-2 or this Command.
; (2) ‘The lack of physical evidence in the shape of crash
recovered exhibits which would undeniably prove the
existence of these objects.
(3) The possibility that some foreign nation has a form
of propulsion possibly nuclear, which is outside of
our domestic knowledge.
3e It is recommended that:+-
ae Headquarters, Army Air Forces issue a directive assigning
a priority, security classification and Code Name for a detailed study of
this matter to include the preparation of complete sets of all available
and pertinent data which will then be made available to the Army, Navy,
Atomic Energy Commission, JRDB, the Air Force Scientific Advisory Group,
NACA, and the RAND and NEPA projects for comments and recommemlations,
with a preliminary report to be forwarded within 1 s of receipt of
the data and a detailed report thereafter every SS cate as the investi-
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Basic Ltr fr CG, AMC, WF to CG, AAF, Washe DeCe subj "AMC Opinion Con=
cerning "Flying Discs"
gation develops. A complete interchange of data should be effected.
Bee he Awaiting a specific directive AMC will continue the investi-
gation within its current resources in order to more closely define the
nature of the phenomenon. Detailed Essential Elements of Informtion
will be formulated immediately for transmittal thru channels.
Lieutenant General, UeSeAn
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23 September 1917
TSDIN
SUBJECT: AMC Opinion Concerning "Flying Discs"
TO: Commanding General
Army Air Forces
Washington 25, D. C,
ATTENTION: Brig. General George Schulgen
AC/AS-2
1. As requested by AC/AS-2 there is presented below the considered
opinion of this Command concerning the so-called "Flying Discs". This
opinion is based on interrogation report data furnished by AC/AS-2 and
preliminary studies by personnel of T-2 and Aircraft Laboratory, Engineer=
ing Division T-3,. This opinion was arrived at in a conference between
personnel from the Air Institute of Technology, Intelligence T-2, Office,
Chief of Engineering Division, and the Aircraft, Power Plant and Propeller
Laboratories of Engineering Division T-3.
2, It is the opinion that:
a, The phenomenon reported is something real and not visionary
or fictitious.
be. There are objects probably approximating the shape of a
@@ disc, of such appreciable size as to appear to be as large as man-made
aircraft.
ce. There is a possibility that some of the incidents may be
caused by natural phenomena, such as meteors.
d. The reported operating characteristics such as extreme
rates of climb, maneuverability (particularly in roll), and action which a :
must be considered evasive when sighted or contacted by friendly air-
craft and radar, lend belief to the possibility that som of the objects
are controlled either manually, automatically or remotely.
e. The apparent common description of the objects is as follows;
(1) Metallic or light reflecting surface,
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Basic Ler fr CG, ANC, WY to CO,: AAP; Waeh. D.C. subj “AMG Opinion Con~
cerning “Flying, Dises" .
(2) Absence of trail, except'in a few inetuncea when the :
object apparently »was operating under high perfor- ~
mance conditions.
oan ose 43) Circular ‘or elliptical in ‘shape, flat on botton and &
Bikes domed on top. sh ;
Ee (kj) Several ‘reports of well kept formation flighte/ varying ~~,
\.° from. three to-nine objects. ; a ie
the Y (5) Normally no associated scund, except in three instances» | fg
Leni: oo @@ gubstaritial rumbling roar was noted. “(> oe fey ed
fe ge Maan © Ae (6). Level £light speeds normally above 300 knots, are eati-’ Rib
ait -£, “It de possible within the present U.S. knowledge --proe)
vided extensive detailed development is undertaken --'to donstruct ae RL
piloted aireraft which has-the general» description of tte object in sub-
. paragraph. (e) above which would be’ capable of an approximite range of. 9.
noe 7000 miles at aubsonic speeds. ean a ae, ye rats
tae gs, ny developments in this’ country alone the Vines jniicated 2). >
pense of current projects and therefore, if directed, should be set up ine - -
ead, dependently of existing projects. ares Sere ae ils, MME BeAr
“ : =) 69 Re Bue consideration must be given the following:~ i 698 0) one
“+ GQ) Mae posstptiity that these objects arecf domestic 7
Yo shelly 9. origin'- the product of some high security project’. - 99...
* itt WAI ly nat Inomn to AC/AS-2 or Mhiw. Goemand. <0 S60 gh ok
Pe £95 9) the Lack of" physidal evidénce'in the ‘shape of crash
eae ae es _. existance of these objects... “oe Rae a eel
le ow (3) the posatbint ty that some foreign nation has a forms |”
nahn _ of propulsion possibly nuclear, which is outside of
pine bas Be RS Le rotemmanded Catan oA Do PE i Nee Ie a
to ae leadquerters, Army Air Forces issue a Gtnegtivy: signing =
. a priostiy, ‘security olasa{ fication and Code, Nase for a de ed pet mg Sieh ey
_ this matter to include the preparation of complete sets of wll available =)
. and pertinent data which will then be made available to the Army, Navy ge
_ Atomic Energy Commission, JRDB, the Air Force Selentific Advisory Group, . >
th’ vprolinnacy dary voperh W be ZapunpaawaMian WB dete coe wont of ae
ii the date and a detailed report thereafter every 30 daya as the investi~ = 4 tet Fe ii Fe DRC RS RCO OR eS ;
IRA Lit oc / SS Yer OOP
Basic Ltr fr CG, AMC, WF to 0G, AAF, Wash. D.C. Subj “AMC opinion Con-
cerning "Flying Discs"
gation develope. A complete interchange of data should be effected.
he Awaiting a specific directive AMc will continue the investi-
gation within its citrrent resources in order to more closely define the
nature of the pehnomenon. Detailed #ssential Elements of Information
will be formulated immediately for transmittal thru channels.
Na F. TWINING
lieutenant General, U.S.*.
Commanding
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TSN4D~2B
SUBJECT; “Flying Disc™
TO: Commanding General
Army Air Forces
Washington 25, D. C.
ATTN: AC/AS-2
Major General George McDora ld
1. In compliance with General McDonald's telephone conversa-
tion, this date, to Colonel H. lie McCoy, T-2, Hqs AMC, attached
herewith is a copy of a drawing entitled, "Loedding Flying Disc",
: designated LD-2. Because of patent rights involved, it is reques-
ted that a record be kept of all persons reviewing this drawing by
witnessing with signatures and dates directly on the drawing.
2 This drawing should be returned to this office when it
has served its purpose so that it can be turned over to the oy,
Office Hq. MMC for official record. ay lay
3. _Inclosed herewith is also a report prepared by the Royal
pee i Establishment, Technical Note, AERO 1703, which describes
the be ea ESP BESS The following references are invited .
which is considered significant in relating the Horten brothers per-—
aD spective thinking and accomplishments toward the alleged "Flying
ucer" cases
a. Page 5, Paragraph h and 6.
be Page 6, Paragraph 1 and 7.
Cc. Page 26, Paragraph 3 and 10.
d. Page 27, Paragraph 12,
e. Page 26, Paragraphs 1 through 5.
f. Page 54, Photograph of Horten "Parabola".
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Basic ltr, dtd 2) Sep 47, to CG, Hq AAF, Wash, subjs "Flying Disc!
G+ Page 69, The Horten VIII.
h. Pages 71 and 72, Photographs of the Horten IX Versions.
i. Page 7h, Drawing of the "Parabolat.
This document should also be returned when it has served its. intended ,
a ta (wus. Htirflang- Kcidhdhce
lh. A-recent report from the U. >. Military abhache, Moscow, USSR,
dated 9 June 1947, indicates that 1600 aircraft, directly or indirectly
based on the Horten VIII design (six engine pusher, having a wing spread
ap of 131 feet and a gross weight of approximately thirty-three thousand
pounds) are being built for bomber squadron use. The Russian version,
however, is jet propelled, reference report whose identification No, is
V-42291-5,. Xd g Ss
5. The T-2 report "German Flying Wings Designed by Horten Brothers"
No. F-SU-1110-Nd, also inclosed herewith, may be rtained by your office
if desired.
FOR THE COMMANDING GENERAL:
H, M. McCOY> —
Colonel, Air Corps
Deputy Commanding General
@® Ihtelligence (T-2)
4 Incls:
1. Drawing ,
2. RAE Tech Note, AERO 1703 below a one hk
3. T-2 Rpt, No. F-SU-1110-ND_/ <<2é Argit a7 279) ,
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PEnmerkeaen
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DATE: oe 30 Oct 47
INDEX: 0009 Flying Saucer - Phenomena :
ro: GSGID, Plans ay Collection Bra oh 3 e
FROM: Chief, Air Intelligence Requirements Division, AC/S-2
SUMMARY: Imtelligence Requirements on Flying Saucer Type Aireraft
: D/F
FILED: 350.09 Intelligence
INDEXER: c
REMARKS: ; 4
HEADQUARTERS ARMY AIR FORCES
CORRESPONDENCE REFERENCE FORM
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Dept. of the Air Force, Hq., USAF, Washington 25, D.C. 28 OCT 1947
Tos Commanding General, Air Materiel Conmand, Wright Field, Ohio
(Attention: +2) ;
1. A representative of this headquarters has contacted Lt. Colonel
Herbert C. Gee concerning Mrs. Merchant's theory on the flying dises,
as expressed to General Brentnell. . ¥ "
2. It is recommended that no action be taken to interrogate
Mrss ¥erchant and that this cage be closed. .
@ BY ORDER OF THE SECRETARY OF THE AIR FORCEs
“Inels = nfo DOUGLASS W. EISENAN Es |
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‘AIR MATERIBE. COMIAND
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TSNAD-2B Wright Pield, Dayton, Ohio
| ©13 Oct 1947
SUBJECT: ““"Flying Discs" ;
; TO: “Chief of staff: .
United States Air Force
; Washington 25, D.C.
ATIN: AC/AS-2<
“Lt Col George Garrett ;
| 1. Attached copies .of communications are self-explanatory a
and indicate action taken to obtain additional information regerding
aD subject, © Assistance shown. from Lt Col Herbert C. Gee was with: '
: reference to the social standing srid character of Mrs. Merchant to :
_ Setermine justification for further investigation of her theories.
2. In view of Lt Col Gee's transfer to Washington, D. C., it
is suggested that a representative from Headquarters, AC/AS-2 con-
tact. and interview him.” ~
bin * 33. General Brentnall stated that Mréy Merchant was extremely
talkative and seemed quite intent on promoting a personal enterprise
instead of cooperating to help solve an intelligence problem. ,
hy 4... Comments and suggestions, therefore, regarding further
action to interrogate Mrs. Merchant would be appreciated in order to
close this case as soon &s possible. R
@ “FOR THE. COMMANDING GENERAL: se |
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) | /s/.W. R. Clingeman, Col., A. C.*
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1. Cy AMC, T-2 Ltr, 9/29/47, Colonel, Air Corps
"Flying Discs" Deputy Commanding General Ve
2. Cy lst Ind, 10/2/47, fr ~ Intelligence (T-2) .
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SUBJECT: "Flying Discs" | 3
TO: Commanding Officer ; x
Operating Location No. 16 of. ,
7351 st: AAFBU \(10lst AACS. Sq)
7 : Kirtland Field
Albuquergike, New Mexico : ;
° : ATIN?. "Col. Howard .G. Bunker ] a
1. © General Brentnall, during a recent visit at Las Vegas, es
was contacted by s\Mrs.’Madelina Gwynne Merchant, Sante Fe, New
sh q Mexico,’ whe deseribéd what may be. termed’ a novel theory concerning’. -
“i 2. °* Recording to her thoery, “Flying Dises" are: being fired .
froma locality) in Central Mexico’from a laboratory whichis
ai), being opereted by the Russians. She cleims they are being aimed
. at the United Stetes for the purpose of sighting in on’ dimportant i
‘ atomic energy and sircraft installations. " rh
a ; PPraie General Brentnall states that he dees not have any
_. further interest in an interrogation of Mrs. Merchant since it is it”
a. - not an engineering matter. However, he recommends that if Hq, Air
; Materiel Command, T-2, wishes to sponsor an interrogation of. this :
neture thet Col. Howard Bunker should be contacted to determine ney
the name end.address of the colonel at Les Vegis who has knowledge .
i of this case. In view of General Brentnall's suggestion, no is
= direct contact will be made with Mrs. Merchent,.
t @ oi 4. It is*reguested, therefore, that the name and address of : °,
: the above mentioned colonel be made available to this office as
Soon a5 possible so that further action, as deemed advisable, can fee
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HEADQUARTERS, Kirtland Field, Albuquerque, New Mexico, 2 October 1947
. TO: “Commanding General, Air Materiel Command; Wright» Pield, Ohio
: ATTENITOM: “P52 :
ae Thes6fficer referred to in Par. 3 is Lt. Col. Herbert 0. Gee,
/*0-19717, who was formerly Commanding Officer at Los*Alamos rather .than
Las Vegas, as stated. Lt. Col. Cee is:now stationed in the office, .
Chief of Engineers, Civil Works Division,’ Washington,: 2: C.
52. There is no replacement for Lt, Col. Gee at Los Alamos. and no
“information is available. to indicate that any individual in this’ vicinity ;
has more information concerning Mrs. Merchant's theory than Brig. Gen.
rei) Brentnall of AMC who personally conducted’ an interview with her.
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BY ORDER OF THR SBORCTARY OF RH AIR FoROR,
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24 Sept 47
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“Flying Saucers"
Commanding General, Army-Alr Force, Washingtg, 25, 0.°,
ATTN: AG) AS-2, Lt Col Garrett ‘
It is requested that this office be furnished al vailable
4nformation concerning an alleged "Flying Saucer" flight sighting
made by a radar station in gapan. Phis incident was mentioned by *)
Dr. Charles Carroll during a conference in Brig Gen Schulgen's 2
office attended by Mr, A.C. Loedding, {2 representative, on 5
September 1947. °
FOR THE COMMANDING GENMRAL! . }
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Colonel, Air Corps
Deputy Commanding General
Intelligence T-2 i.e r , D>
( So SAP RYReCU/TtCol Garrett yemyhSldy
41 SEP WAT “
SUBJECT: Reported Sightings of Flying Discs. oy
TO + Commanding General rs
Air Materiel Command
“ Wright Field, Dayton, Ohio
: Attention? 7-2.
, : 1. &s arranged verbally with Mr. Loedding, inclosed is the
' complete file maintained by thie Office on reported sightings of
@ Flying Discs. t
, 2.. This File is forwarded so that photostate may be made in :
order to provide your Command with a duplicate set of these sightings.
. 3. When photostating this material for your purpose, it will Red
: be appreciated if one extra set is made for this Office and returned
at the same time the originals are returned. ent
‘ke Thin file, end the duplicates, should be returned as scon =
as possible to this Headquarters, Attention: AC/AS-2, Air Intelligence
. Wequirenents Division, Collection Branch. nat
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: . HEADQUARTERS ARMY AIR FORCES ieee |
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ROUTING AND RECORD SHEET Bee S|
SUBJECT: Flying Saucer Phenomena
TO: Deputy Chief of Air Staff for Research & Development DATE 22 August 1947
COMMENT No. +
FROM: AC/AS~2, Air Intelligence Requirements Division Lt Col Garrett /nc/4544
Collection Branch
1. From a detailed study of certain reported observations on the flying saucers,
selected for their veracity and reliability, it is apparent that several aspects of
their appearance have a common pattern.
2. Before pursuing its investigation of these objects any further, this Office
requests assurance that no research project of the Army Air Forces, at present being
, Oa has the following characteristics and that it may therefore be assumed
me recent flying saucer "mystery" is not of United States origin:
a. Surface is metallic - indicating a metallic skin, at least.
b. When a trail is observed, it is a lightly colored blue—brown haze, similar
to a rocket engine's exhaust. Contrary to a rocket of the solid type, one observation
indicates that the fuel may be throttled, which would indicate a liquid rocket engine.
c. As to shape, all observations state that the object is circular, or at
least elliptical, flat on the bottom and slightly domed on the top.
d. Size estimates place it somewhere near the size of a C—-54 or Constellation
as they would appear while flying at 10,000',
e. Some reports describe two tabs located at the rear and symmetrical about
@ axis of flight motion.
f. Flights have been reported containing from three to nine objects, flying
good formation on each other, with speeds always above 300 knots.
g- The dises oscillate laterally while flying along, which could be snaking.
Tea Qn 3=
ROBERT TA 3RD
Colonel, Air Corps
Chief, Collection Branch
Air Intelligence Requirements Division ji
AC/AS~2
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; FORM NO. MR-1 (4) :
DATE:
. 5 Aug 47 ;
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- INDEX: 000.9 Phenomena
TO: Chief, Intelligence Group, Intelli,-ence Division, War Dept Gen Staff
FROM: Executive, Air Intel, Requirements Division, AC/AS=2
SUMMARY: Request for F. B. I. Investigeti .
t Bede stigetion on Background of Certein Wi
@ to "Flying Discs". ee
Memo i
FILED: 333.5 Investigation | |
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REMARKS:
| HEADQUARTERS ARMY AIR FORCES
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NO.
ROUTING AND RECORD SHEET ee ee
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TO: Air Intelligence Requirements Division, AC/AS-2 - DATE {
Attn: Collection Branch AUG 2 9 1947
ee COMMENT No.2
FROM: Deputy Chief of Sir Staff for Research & Development Mr ray /p mo /'73481
The Army Air Forces has no research project with the characteristics described
in Comment No. l.
URTIS E. LeMAY
AFDRE ' ~ Major General, U. S. Army
Deputy Chief of Air Staff for
AFDRE-2 ‘i Siete 22) Research and Development
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